–What does the Tea Party want? Ask Sarah Palin

An alternative to popular faith

It’s a peculiarity of the human species, that if you speak from the pulpit of patriotism or religion, you can spew almost any kind of nonsense, and gather followers.

Take Sarah Palin, perhaps the nation’s leading demagogue. She shouted this irrationality to a cheering Tea Party crowd, “Is this what their ‘change’ is all about? I want to tell them, nah, we’ll keep clinging to our Constitution and our guns and religion – and you can keep the change.” The mob screamed in ecstasy, without bothering to wonder what she meant.

Does “they” just refer to Democrats, or is “they” the whole U.S. government? Hard to tell. Ironic, how hating the government now equates with patriotism and the Constitution.

According to Mrs. Palin, “they” have violated the Constitution in some unexplained way. And she indicates “they” will take Tea Party guns and religion away. She doesn’t explain how “they” will do that, but so long as she wraps herself in the flag and religion, her worshipers won’t remind her she has no idea what the hell she’s talking about.

I empathize with Tea Party folks, because one thing they want, I also want: Lower taxes. But I would be embarrassed to allow a hate-mongering, anti-everything, nitwit like Sarah Palin be my guide.

Really folks, is this the best you can do? There are excellent, economic ways to reduce taxes (which you will see if you comb through this blog site). But knock it off with the American flags, the Constitution, guns and religion, none of which have anything to do with lowering taxes.

Unfortunately for Tea Party “logic,” they not only want lower taxes, but lower deficits and less government. At the same time, they want a stronger army, better schools, federal supervision of banks and other financial firms, better roads, defense of our borders, defense against terrorism, safer food, better retirement, better unemployment insurance, police, health care, rescue from hurricanes and other disasters, more jobs and a better environment.

Hey, Tea Party. The things you want cost money. So if you want both lower taxes and a reduced deficit, where will the money come from? Cutting both taxes and the deficit requires dramatically reduced government spending. So, how will that get you the things you want? It won’t. All it will get you is a Sarah Palin.

Sure, raw, mob emotion can make you feel strong. Look what it did for Joseph Goebbels. But eventually, morning will come and you will realize your torches, pitchforks and white sheets were silly. Only then, can we have the rational discussions that will help us create and take the steps to improve our nation.

Sadly, the “T” in Tea Party does not yet stand for “Think.”

Rodger Malcolm Mitchell
http://www.rodgermitchell.com


18 thoughts on “–What does the Tea Party want? Ask Sarah Palin

  1. Rodger,

    It’s not quite as bleak as you portray it. Recent polls show that the majority of Tea Party followers do not believe that SP is qualified to be president. Can she rev up a crowd? Sure… but it doesn’t translate into wide and deep support.

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  2. Rodger I agree with you generally but the ad hominem attacks against Palin and the Tea Party in general are below you. Has it ever occirred to you taht ANY mass protest has its own internal contradictions. Just like most any political coalition. This is not unique tot eh Tea Party. Furthermore, perhaps some of what they want can be accomplished more readily than pure top down pay offs to Goldman Sachs, AIG, big unions, etc.,

    This is a cheap shot.

    “Sure, raw, mob emotion can make you feel strong. Look what it did for Joseph Goebbels. But eventually, morning will come and you will realize your torches, pitchforks and white sheets were silly. Only then, can we have the rational discussions that will help us create and take the steps to improve our nation.”

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    1. Sarah Palin brings lies about guns, religion, the Constitution “death panels” and President Obama’s citizenship to the discussion. She prides herself on being an attack dog. And you feel she deserves my respect?

      If she focused on rational arguments, I would feel different. As for the people cheering her lies, what respect do you suggest they should receive?

      Anyway, rather than worrying about whether poor Sarah Palin (the millionaire speaker) is being treated fairly, tell me what does the Tea Party want?

      Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

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      1. I’m not sure what lies about guns, religion, and the Constitution you are referring to Rodger. I searched for the birther stuff and found one thing about the birth certificate being fair game especially since she produced Trig’s to prove he was her child to satisfy the crazy far left. Whatever.

        Every time a politician opens his/her mouth there is usually a lie. How many blatant lies did Obama tell about the cost of this health care bill? He lied about Con Law right to the face of the Supreme Court in the SOTU. Did he lie about withdrawing our troops from Iraq, closing Gitmo, Gay Rights? Did he lie about the stimulus package effects…or was he just wrong? Just like Bush was wrong about WMD.

        And correction….She is a multimillionaire. 🙂

        As for the Tea Party, the general consistent strand that ties them together is a less powerful Government that spends less due to deficits. So you and I both think this is wrong regarding deficits. However, I think that a payroll tax holiday and other reduced taxes is the way to build a deficit and much better than government selected and run porkfests and government bailouts that leave money often sitting stagnant in banks.

        Mosler has spoken to them on a couple of occasions on this topic I believe.

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        1. No one is taking away her guns or her religion. A far left nut asks for her son’s birth certificate, and that’s your justification for the ongoing birther’s campaign?

          You like Palin? No problem. Join the Tea Party and vote for her. Bring your gun. Personally, I prefer Tina Fey.

          “[…](They want) less powerful Government that spends less due to deficits.” Less spending, specifically on what?

          “[…] porkfests and government bailouts that leave money often sitting stagnant in banks.” What is the economic problem with pork? Money never sits stagnant in banks or anywhere else. Think of what happens when anyone receives money.

          Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

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          1. Rodger you haven’t given me any specifics re: guns and religion. Does she play those themes? Yes. Did Democrats play themes like the rest of the world hates us last electoral cycle? Yes. I didn’t see any embassies closing.

            Where is your proof of this alleged ongoing birther association with Palin? A couple of very mild references come up. I mentioned the main one. Rodger you need proof not opinion.

            I am indifferent to Palin. I don’t think she deserves to be painted as a moron or a racist though. Especially with no proof as to the latter. That is what you did in your last paragraph. Calling people racists and comparing to Nazis is pretty weak.

            I answered your question about less spending. IMO the general theme is less spending on large bailouts.

            I think you are wrong on money is money. Large amounts of government created money sits in banks to recapitalize them. It isn’t hitting the streets. Will it eventually? Perhaps. That doesn’t help the unemployed for the next few years.

            The idea that having “healthy banks” will somehow improve the health of the economy is nonsense. If a household has insufficient income to manage it’s current debt load, or take on additional debt, does it matter how well capitalized Wells Fargo is? Banks (usually) lend to people who can pay them back. Stuffing them full of money will not make banks make loans to households who cannot pay the loans back. Creating households who can pay loans back will automatically help banks. The tail does not wag the dog.

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  3. “Cutting both taxes and the deficit requires dramatically reduced government spending. So, how will that get you the things you want?”

    Maybe, the Tea Party understands that taxes don’t fund government and that there isn’t really a deficit. Maybe, these are the people that could be convinced that a government that owns its own currency can create money without debt and without taxes. Yeah, I doubt they’ll understand that. The Lame Stream media will continue to stoke the tax and debt discussion without pointing out the truth. Makes you think it is a conspiracy that the truth can’t be told.

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    1. I’m not sure it’s a conspiracy. More likely the economists who were educated before 1971 (end of the gold standard), or read books printed before 1971. The problem is that these people educate the younger economists and the media.

      Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

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  4. The simpleton Birthers along with the Tea baggers are the same whiners that were crying when the McCain/Bailin ticket lost. Now that their yelling and screaming failed to stop the health care debate and the bill from passing they are crying again. Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. The Republicans are good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. Instead of participating in the health care debate of ideas the Republicans party turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy roots). In my opinion the Republican Waterloo loss was caused by the party allowing a small portions (but very loud) of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to take over their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. Although some Republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe most of them, having no game plan/ vision for our country, are just going along and fanning the flames. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits. But they now claim they have changed, come on, what sucker is going to believe that? All I can say to you is remember Waterloo.

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  5. Matt: No specifics? Read the post.

    “[…]IMO the general theme is less spending on large bailouts.” Really? How about lower taxes, lower debt, no health insurance bill, no “big” government, “Get out of our lives”?

    Compare that with this article by Rick Unger:
    “A New York Times/CBS poll just out reveals the following-
    • 52% of Tea Party supporters believe the amount they pay in taxes is fair.
    • The majority of the Tea Party believes that Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost to taxpayers.
    • The majority support the amount of money spent by the federal government on defense.
    “This must have come as one heck of a shock to the Tea Party leadership who constantly tell us that they would, if given the chance, kill off the Social Security program and other federal entitlements in the blink of an eye. After all, American don’t need to be taken care of by the Nanny State. They can take care of themselves.
    “As I’ve always understood it, the fundamental philosophy underlying the Tea Party movement involves (a) lower taxes and (b) smaller federal government. Social Security, Medicare and defense spending constitute over 70% of the entire federal budget and are programs that could only be realistically provided by the federal government.”

    And this interview with Eric Odom, an organizer of the Tea Party:
    “BW: What does the Tea Party want? What are they looking for as they continue to go forward? Obviously, you look at the poll that’s encouraging that some people are sort of glomming on to what you stand for?

    EO: It really is simple. Our government, Congress, Senate, is elected and gives an oath to uphold the Constitution. Right now, through legislation that’s being proposed, they’re not doing what they’re suppose to do to uphold the Constitution.”

    The whole point of the post was that the Tea Party has no idea what it wants. It’s just an angry mob. So Sarah Palin jumps in, with her Constitution, her guns and her religion, to appeal to the baser instincts of the mob.

    Demagoguery might seem harmless at first, but given the right match, an angry mob can ignite into something terrifying. So far, Congress people have received death threats. Who worked those idiots up?

    Even some Republicans are becoming frightened about what they have begun. As a thinking person, you should be, too.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

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    1. Rodger as a thinking person I recognize a political talking point when I hear one. I understand the point of your post but disagree with the over-the-top language. I’m not defending everything the Tea Party supports but I will defend vigorously the slandering of them as some sort of angry mob. And I will defend Ms. Palin when you say things that are just outright lies. I was being polite before but you have failed to offer any proof of Birther-ism or racism on her part. In fact she said one thing about it and then took it back immediately on her famous facebook page. Simple googling can find all this. Yet somehow you call her a birther.

      “Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask… which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.”

      It is this type of over-the-top language that causes my dispute with you: “Demagoguery might seem harmless at first, but given the right match, an angry mob can ignite into something terrifying. So far, Congress people have received death threats. Who worked those idiots up?”

      Last I checked (r) Cantor got the death threat and it was from a gay rights liberal who was arrested. The false racism charges are an insult to a thinking person. Congressman Emanuel Cleaver should be reprimanded as far as I am concerned. His spitting allegations are pathetic.

      Rather than address the issues most just resort to the slanders. I give you credit for discussing the issues from a monetary perspective. IT is the ad hominem stuff I question.

      We both know that when a Republican is in charge the Dems will make the same wrong headed arguments about balanced budgets, etc.

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      1. You’re right, Matt,
        Discussing Palin only leads to “Democrats are just as bad” retorts. She really serves more as a symbol of what is fundamentally wrong with the Tea Party: No coherent ideas.

        Wanting lower taxes, lower deficit and less government in their lives, while wanting all the things government provides, makes as much sense as Palin does.

        You’re right about one other thing: The Democrats not only will, but have, made many of the same wrong-headed arguments about balanced budgets, etc. Maybe I’m wrong, but somehow, Barack doesn’t seem as empty-headed as Sarah.

        Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

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  6. Matt:

    “The idea that having “healthy banks” will somehow improve the health of the economy is nonsense. Are you saying that having unhealthy banks doesn’t hurt the economy?

    “Large amounts of government created money sits in banks to recapitalize them. It isn’t hitting the streets.”

    That could happen only if banks didn’t invest the money they received, but rather put cash into a box, earning no interest. Who does that?

    Once they invest it, the money moves immediately. Aside from any money you have put in your safety deposit box, every cent you own is today, in the hands of someone other than you. Tomorrow, it will move again, to someone else’s hands. Money never stops moving.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

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  7. One more thing Rodger. Not sure if you are going to let me post anymore but if you do…you misunderstand the whole guns and religion thing. She was riffing on Obama’s famous blunder during the Pennsylvania primary. She didn’t just make that line up out of whole cloth as you seem to think or imply. She doesn’t literally think Obama is taking away guns or religion. She was using Obama’s words Rodger. Clinton made hay on this blunder.

    “Last Sunday, Obama was explaining his difficulty with winning over working-class voters in Pennsylvania and the Midwest, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:
    “And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Obama said.”

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  8. What I’ve seen is there are two camps within the Tea Party.

    1) The typical Republican line that all government is bad unless it is the government that fights our wars, etc.

    2) The libertarian line that want gold standard and something not too far from anarchy. (States rights, 10th amendment, etc.)

    So one group likes government when it does stuff for them and the other just wants government out its way.

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  9. If you have doubts about what the Tea Party wants, here’s a clue:

    Sep 13, 2011; Tea Party Debate Audience Cheered Idea of Letting Uninsured Patients Die

    If it was up to Ron Paul or many of the Tea Party audience members at Monday night’s GOP presidential debate, churches, not the federal government, would help foot the bill for the medical costs of America’s 50 million residents living without health insurance.

    CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer’s hypothetical question about whether an uninsured 30-year-old working man in coma should be treated prompted one of the most boisterous moments of audience participation in the CNN/Tea Party Express.

    “What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for himself,” Paul responded, adding, “That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risk. This whole idea that you have to compare and take care of everybody…”

    The audience erupted into cheers, cutting off the Congressman’s sentence.

    After a pause, Blitzer followed up by asking “Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?” to which a small number of audience members shouted “Yeah!”

    Paul, a doctor trained in obstetrics and gynecology, said when he got out of medical school in the 1960s “the churches took care of them.”

    “We never turned anybody away from the hospital,” he said. “We’ve given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves or assume responsibility for ourselves. Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. That’s the reason the cost is so high.”

    According to census data released Tuesday, the number of uninsured people rose by about 900,000 from 2009 to 2010, bringing the total number of people living in the United States without health coverage to 50.9 million, or 16.3 percent of the population.

    Ah, those Tea Party Patriots expressing the American way.

    Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

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  10. If you have doubts about what Unions/POTUS wants here’s a clue:
    ” … we got to keep an eye on the battle we face, the war on workers, and you see it everywhere, it is the tea party. There’s only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is that we like a good fight. And you know what? They got a war? They got a war with us? And there’s only gonna be one winner, it’s gonna be the workers of Michigan, of America, we’re gonna win that war!
    President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march! Let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!”

    This was on the Presidential dais no less. The new civility….

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