What are the limits to our government lying to us citizens?

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●The more federal budgets are cut and taxes increased, the weaker an economy becomes.
●Austerity is the government’s method for widening the gap between rich and poor,
which ultimately leads to civil disorder.
●Until the 99% understand the need for federal deficits, the upper 1% will rule.
To survive long term, a monetarily non-sovereign government must have a positive balance of payments.
●Those, who do not understand the differences between Monetary Sovereignty and monetary non-sovereignty, do not understand economics.
●The penalty for ignorance is slavery.
●Everything in economics devolves to motive.


US releases more documents on surveillance origins
Associated Press By KIMBERLY DOZIER

President Barack Obama hinted Friday that he would consider some changes to NSA’s bulk collection of Americans’ phone records to address the public’s concern about privacy. His comments came in a week where a federal judge declared NSA’s collection program “unconstitutional,” and a presidential advisory panel suggested 46 changes to NSA operations.

The judge said there was little evidence any terror plot had been thwarted by the program, known as Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act.

The above information was courtesy of Edward Snowden, without whom we Americans wouldn’t have known about the government’s massive invasion of our privacy.

He was called a “traitor, and is being chased by our government. He is forced to hide in Russia.

Here is what President Obama said about Snowden:

“We’ve got countries that actually do the things Mr. Snowden says he’s worried about very explicitly — engaging in surveillance of their own citizens, targeting political dissidents, targeting and suppressing the press — who somehow are able to sit on the sidelines and act as if it’s the United States that has problems when it comes to surveillance and intelligence operations.

That’s a pretty distorted view what’s going on out there.”

President Obama added, “No, I don’t think Mr. Snowden was a patriot.”

But he hinted he will consider changes, only because of public concern, not because it’s the right thing to do. (If the public hadn’t found out, there would be no “concern.”)

Lawmakers slam intelligence chief James Clapper for lying to Congress, call for DOJ investigation
By T.C. Sottek

In a March, 2013 Senate hearing: Sen. Ron Wyden: “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?”
Clapper: “No, Sir.”
Wyden: “It does not?”
Clapper: “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect but not, not wittingly.”

President Obama has made no comment regarding Clapper’s lies.

Clapper apologized to Senator Sen. Dianne Feinstein, chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, for giving “clearly erroneous” testimony. She called him a “direct and honest” person.

President Obama has made no comment regarding Sen. Feinstein’s opinion of Clapper.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Chair of the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security, Committee on the Judiciary, said that Clapper should be removed and prosecuted for lying to Congress. “Lying to Congress is a federal offense, and Clapper ought to be fired and prosecuted for it.

President Obama has had no comment on Clapper, but others have:

Rep. Peter King Says It’s A Disgrace To Call Out James Clapper For Lying To Congress

Recently, Senator Rand Paul made a claim that that James Clapper’s lying to Congress was more damaging than anything Ed Snowden did.

“That Clapper is lying to Congress is probably more injurious to our intelligent capabilities than anything Snowden did,” Paul said on CNN.

“Clapper has damaged the credibility of the entire intelligence apparatus and I’m not sure what to believe anymore when they come to Congress.”

So, how did King respond to this statement from someone in his own party? He went ballistic. He claimed that Senator Paul “disgraced his office” by calling out Clapper for lying to Congress.

“He disgraced his office and he owes Gen. Clapper an apology immediately.”

President Obama has had no comment regarding Rep. King’s or Sen. Paul’s comments.

From Der Spiegel:
Merkel spoke with Obama on Wednesday afternoon, calling him from her secure landline in her Chancellery office. Both spoke English. According to the Chancellery, the president said that he had known nothing of possible monitoring, otherwise he would have stopped it. Obama also expressed his deepest regrets and apologized.

So far, no Obama apology to the American people for spying on us and lying to us.

Secretary of State John Kerry says Obama didn’t personally order all the various types of snooping that have been revealed by former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden

Not all? We should feel better, now.

In answer to the title question, “What are the limits to government lying to its citizens,” you might think there are no limits, but there are.

The limits to government lying are: Getting caught and voter anger.

Anything up to that point is just fine.

The moral to this story is: The politicians will lie to us until enough Americans angrily throw the lies back in their faces. Only then, will the politicians backtrack and perhaps, as a last resort, do the right thing.

Remember that the next time a pol tells you the federal deficit must be reduced, spending must be cut and taxes increased, and like John Boehner lies, “Let’s face it. We’re broke.”

But that’s a whole different set of lies you angrily should throw back in their faces.

Rodger Malcolm Mitchell
Monetary Sovereignty

Nine Steps to Prosperity:
1. Eliminate FICA (Click here)
2. Federally funded Medicare — parts A, B & D plus long term nursing care — for everyone (Click here)
3. Send every American citizen an annual check for $5,000 or give every state $5,000 per capita (Click here)
4. Free education (including post-grad) for everyone. Click here
5. Salary for attending school (Click here)
6. Eliminate corporate taxes (Click here)
7. Increase the standard income tax deduction annually
8. Increase federal spending on the myriad initiatives that benefit America’s 99% (Click here)
9. Federal ownership of all banks (Click here)


10 Steps to Economic Misery: (Click here:)
1. Maintain or increase the FICA tax..
2. Spread the myth Social Security, Medicare and the U.S. government are insolvent.
3. Cut federal employment in the military, post office, other federal agencies.
4. Broaden the income tax base so more lower income people will pay.
5. Cut financial assistance to the states.
6. Spread the myth federal taxes pay for federal spending.
7. Allow banks to trade for their own accounts; save them when their investments go sour.
8. Never prosecute any banker for criminal activity.
9. Nominate arch conservatives to the Supreme Court.
10. Reduce the federal deficit and debt

No nation can tax itself into prosperity, nor grow without money growth. Monetary Sovereignty: Cutting federal deficits to grow the economy is like applying leeches to cure anemia.
Two key equations in economics:
1. Federal Deficits – Net Imports = Net Private Savings
2. Gross Domestic Product = Federal Spending + Private Investment and Consumption – Net Imports

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As the federal deficit growth lines drop, we approach recession, which will be cured only when the lines rise.


6 thoughts on “What are the limits to our government lying to us citizens?

  1. The hypocrisy that is America, since inception, has no boundaries. If our citizenry were permitted to know their real history or if they were willing to make the effort to learn it from the viewpoints of the indigenous, we might be in a much better place. More might be willing dispose of the demagogues that perpetuate the lies that destroy humanity. For now we’re a spied upon, lied upon mass.


  2. In a joint statement, Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Saxby Chambliss, and Reps. Mike Rogers and C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger said, “The necessity of the NSA’s metadata program cannot be measured merely by the number of terrorist attacks disrupted . . . ”

    They are unable to point to a single terrorist attack that has been disrupted.

    The entire basis for the program is, Trust us. We're the government."

    These are the same people who ignored repeated clues and outright statements fingering the Boston Marathon bombers, yet did nothing but spend billions uselessly to track our phone calls.

    monetary sovereignty

    “Hon.” stands for “honorable.”


    1. The NSA has nothing to do with “stopping terrorism.” The NSA’s mission is to help widen the gap between the rich and the rest. The NSA does this by gathering and analyzing privileged information in order to give advantages to Wall Street CEOs over competitors, and over anyone who seeks to narrow the gap.

      There was a time when it was illegal to engage in insider trading (i.e. using confidential information to gain advantages when trading a company’s stock or other securities). Now with the NSA, insider trading is institutionalized.

      The NSA also gives US companies commercial advantages over foreign competitors. For example, the NSA spies on Brazilian businesses (e.g. Petrobras) to give advantages to U.S. companies when they bid for oil contracts.

      Canada’s equivalent to the NSA is the Communications Security Establishment Canada (CSEC) which has a $350-million budget and 2,000 employees in a new $1-billion headquarters on the outskirts of Ottawa. The CSEC started recruiting economists and business analysts in the mid-1990s.

      Canada has interests in Brazil, especially in the mining sector. New documents revealed by Edward Snowden show how the CSEC spied on mining and energy companies in Brazil by tapping into computers and smart-phones using a program called Olympia.

      The NSA was recently busted spying on Chinese technology company Huawei. The NSA also spies on the biggest financial payments systems such as VISA and Swift.

      It goes on and on.

      To repeat, NSA spying is not about security or “terrorism.”

      It is about power, and about widening the wealth gap between the rich and the rest.


  3. More Clapper claptrap:

    “Disclosure of this still-classified information regarding the scope and operational details of N.S.A. intelligence activities implicated by plaintiffs’ allegations could be expected to cause extremely grave damage to the national security of the United States,” wrote the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr.

    Why would anyone believe anything this guy says?

    And why isn’t he in jail for lying to Congress?


    1. QUESTION: Why isn’t Clapper in jail for lying to Congress?

      ANSWER: Because Clapper takes care of Congress. Almost all politicians make money via insider trading. For that, they need Clapper and the NSA. Politicians don’t care if Clapper lies to them, as long as Clapper keeps their portfolios profitable. Truth and lies are irrelevant. So is “terrorism.” All that matters is profits.

      All the markets are rigged, and the American economy is one big hedge fund whose information source is the NSA. Insider trading is legal and ubiquitous. The only time a big player makes a mistake is when he thinks he knows better than the NSA, and he “goes off the reservation.” Even then he gets bailed out.

      The NSA the US Congress are both concerned with “national security,” defined as maintaining (and widening) the gap between the rich and the rest.


      1. For the NSA, “fighting terrorism” means widening the gap between the rich and the rest, and giving advantages to Anglo American corporations.

        From the New York Times…

        “The NSA and its British counterpart, GCHQ, monitor the communications of officials overseeing oil and finance ministries. Also spied on is Joaquín Almunia, vice president of the European Commission (EC) which, among other powers, has oversight of antitrust issues in Europe. The EC has broad authority over local and foreign companies, and has punished a number of American companies, including Microsoft and Intel, with heavy fines for hampering fair competition.”

        “Mr. Almunia assumed authority over the commission’s antitrust office in 2010. He has been involved in a three-year standoff with Google over how Google runs its search engine. He has warned that Google could face large fines if it does not cooperate.”

        “NSA spokeswoman Vanee Vines says economic spying is justified by national security needs.”

        “Meanwhile British law allows the government to spy on economic targets in the service of the country’s ‘economic wellbeing’.”

        “NSA targets include the French oil and gas giant Total, plus a logistics and transportation outfit called Thales. Germany is especially sensitive about American spying since reports emerged that the agency listened to Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cell phone calls.”

        (In a statement, the N.S.A. denied that it had ever carried out espionage to benefit American businesses — which is the exact opposite of the truth. Carrying out espionage to benefit American businesses is the NSA’s main function.)


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