While it’s difficult to verify the exact words or the precise historical record of the exchange, the essence of the story is historically consistent with Franklin D. Roosevelt’s thinking about Social Security.
Here’s the most widely cited version of the exchange:
During the creation of the Social Security program in the 1930s, FDR was advised by his economic team — particularly economist John Kenneth Galbraith and others in the Treasury — that the federal government, as a monetary sovereign, did not need to collect payroll taxes to fund Social Security benefits.
They explained that the government could simply create the money and pay the benefits directly.
Roosevelt is reported to have responded with something along these lines:
Now compare that to what AARP wrote in its May/June 2025 issue of the AARP Bulletin, Social Security and Medicare, by T.R. Reid:“I guess you’re right on the economics — but the politics are what matter here. Those taxes aren’t really needed for revenue. They’re needed to give the workers a sense of personal stake in the system — to give them a legal, moral, and political claim to their benefits.”
“With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my Social Security program.”
“These two programs (Social Security and Medicare) have protected the quality of life for older Americans,” (AARP’s Nancy) LeaMond observes. “So we need to save them.
“Job 1 is ensuring the solvency of the programs for current beneficiaries, but also for future generations. To do that, we have to ensure that the trust funds are stable.”
And there it is, the Big Lie, that Social Security and Medicare are paid for by taxes via federal trust funds. It is a lie believed by most Americans, and possibly most federal politicians, most media writers, and even most economists.
But despite common belief, it is a pernicious, harmful, cruel lie.
Even Franklin D. Roosevelt, the creator of Social Security, knew it was a lie, but he allowed it, not for financial reasons, but for political reasons — so that “no damn politician can ever scrap my Social Security program.”
How little did even he realize the depths of ignorance the damn politicians would plumb in order to limit benefits to the common people vs. the rich.
The rich have bribed the media (via ownership and advertising dollars), the economists (via university grants and promises of future think tank employment for professors), and the politicians (via many routes), to feed you false information. This guarantees ignorance through false information from trusted sources.
It is a multi-layered campaign of receipt:
1. Ignorance About Monetary Sovereignty: Unlike state and local governments, businesses, and individuals, the federal government is Monetarily Sovereign. It is the original creator of the U.S. dollar and continues to create dollars at will.
The federal government can never unintentionally run short of its sovereign currency, the U.S. dollar. Even if the federal government did not collect a single dollar in taxes, it could continue creating and spending dollars forever.
2. Ignorance about federal deficits, debt, and borrowing. Federal deficits are the net amount of money that an infinitely rich federal government sends to the private sector to grow Gross Domestic Product. Without federal deficits, the economy cannot grow and instead would fall into a depression.
The federal “debt” is not federal, and it is not “debt.” It is the total of outstanding Treasury security accounts (T-bills, T-notes, T-bonds) the dollars in which are owned by depositors and only held by the federal government for safety.
Those dollars are never used by the federal government for anything. The accounts are similar to bank safe deposit boxes in which the contents are held for safety and not part of the bank’s debt.
The federal government does not borrow dollars; it has the infinite ability to create them from thin air. As the St. Louis Federal Reserve wrote in their October 2011 publication titled “Why Health Care Matters and the Current Debt Does Not”:
“As the sole manufacturer of dollars, whose debt is denominated in dollars, the U.S. government can never become insolvent, i.e., unable to pay its bills. In this sense, the government is not dependent on credit markets to remain operational.”
3. Ignorance About Federal Taxes: Federal taxes fund nothing. The purposes of federal taxes are different from the purposes of state/local gov. taxes. The sole purposes of federal taxes are:- To assure demand for the U.S. dollars by requiring taxes to be paid in dollars
- To control the economy by taxing what the government wishes to discourage and by giving tax breaks to what the government wishes to reward
- To deceive the public into believing that benefits must be limited by taxes. This is a belief fostered by the rich to limit benefits to the rest of us.
Contrary to popular wisdom, the rich pay a much lower tax rate than you do. Pay no attention to the tax rate table that say otherwise. The rich have managed to engineer special tax deductions that make the tax tables invalid.
For example: Billionaire Donald Trump paid no federal income taxes at all in 10 of 15 years prior to 2016, In 2016 and 2017, he paid just $750 each year in federal income taxes.
In 2020, he paid $0 in federal income tax. He reported large losses across many years, some in the tens or hundreds of millions, which allowed him to offset future income.
These losses were often carried forward using legal provisions in the tax code. He claimed major business expenses — including for residences, aircraft, and other personal luxuries — as deductions.
(Have you been able to deduct the costs of your home, transportation, meals, clothing, cars, furniture, entertainment, etc.? Trump and other billionaires could.) But Social Security and Medicare are headed toward insolvency?? Really?
4. Ignorance about Inflation: No sooner does anyone realize that the federal government’s finances are nothing like state and local governments’ finances, than we hear the false claim of last resort about federal spending, “but that would cause inflation.”
Let me be very clear about this: Inflation is not a spending problem, and inflation is not a demand problem. Inflation is, always has been, and always will be a supply problem.
Federal spending does not cause inflation. In fact, federal spending cures inflation when directed at curing the shortages that cause inflation. We discuss this in more detail here.
The inflation myth has been promulgated solely to prevent the populace from demanding the kinds of federal spending and tax relief afforded to the rich — the kind of relief that has allowed billionaires like Donald Trump to pay less federal taxes than you have.
5. Ignorance about Federal Trust Funds: The USA.gov A–Z Index lists over 400 federal departments, agencies, and related entities. This includes executive departments, independent agencies, government corporations, commissions, and government-sponsored enterprises.
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For years, you have been told about the Social Security and Medicare crisis, which is exacerbated by Congress’s and the President’s ridiculous decision to tax your benefits.
Why would a federal government, that neither uses nor needs tax dollars, tax the benefits it gives to the populace? For only one reason: To widen the Gap between the rich and the rest. “Rich” is a relative term. The wider the Gap, the wealthier the rich.
So to make themselves wealthier, the rich bribe Congress to pass laws that widen the Gap, bribe the media to promulgate those laws, and bribe economists to justify those laws. And that is why you see persistence in the Big Lie.
SUMMARY
The Big Lie in economics is that federal taxes and borrowing fund federal spending.The Big Truth in economics is that even if the federal government didn’t collect a penny in taxes, and continues not to borrow dollars, it could keep spending forever, without causing inflation.
The so-called “crisis” in Social Security and Medicare solvency is a lie invented by the very rich, to widen the income/wealth/power Gap between them and you. There is no crisis other than a crisis of truth.
Your information sources and leaders are lying to you, and they will continue lying until you demonstrate that you will reject their lies. Vote the liars out of office. Stop using the lying media until they expose the truth. Stop funding universities that teach the lies.
Then one day, you will pay the same taxes as Donald Trump.
Rodger Malcolm Mitchell
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