2 thoughts on “The murderers, the liars, and the murdered”

1. I decided to ask Grok: who has died while in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody since Trump’s term began? How does this compare to previous administrations?

   Trump’s first year, second term is among the worst, though Bush II when ICE was getting started (2003) was worse, and it wasn’t benign under Obama or Biden either.

   Grok: Comparison to Previous AdministrationsDeaths in ICE custody have varied across administrations, often correlating with detention population sizes, enforcement policies, and facility conditions. Here’s a breakdown based on available data (using approximate totals for full terms, as fiscal/calendar year overlaps make precise counts challenging):

   • George W. Bush (2003–2009): ICE was created in 2003, and early years saw high numbers due to system establishment. Total: Around 143 deaths, with peaks of 38 in 2004 and 35 in 2005 (calendar years). ice.gov Death rate: 6.4 per 100,000 detainees per year (highest among recent presidents). cato.org
   • Barack Obama (2009–2017): 56 deaths total. detentionwatchnetwork.org Annual averages hovered around 7–8, with lower numbers in later years (e.g., 5 in 2016, 11 in FY2017 partial). aol.com Focus was on deportations but with some oversight improvements.
   • Donald Trump (first term, 2017–2021): 52 deaths. aclu.org Numbers spiked in FY2020 (21 deaths, largely COVID-related amid overcrowding). pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Enforcement surges contributed to higher detention levels.
   • Joe Biden (2021–2025): Approximately 26 deaths, based on FY2021 (partial) through early FY2025. immigrantjustice.org +1 Lower annual numbers initially (e.g., 3–4 in FY2022–2023), rising to 12 in FY2024.
   • Donald Trump (second term, 2025–present): Already the deadliest period in two decades, with 32 deaths in calendar year 2025 alone (exceeding the 2004 record of 32). theguardian.com +1 This surge aligns with expanded enforcement and record detention levels (over 60,000 daily). axios.com As of early 2026, additional deaths have been reported.

   Administration Approximate Total Deaths Average Annual Deaths Key Factors

   Bush (2003–2009) 143 ~20 New agency, high initial detention.

   Obama (2009–2017) 56 ~7 Steady deportations, some reforms.

   Trump 1 (2017–2021) 52 ~13 Enforcement push, COVID impact.

   Biden (2021–2025) 26 ~6.5 Reduced detentions initially.

   Trump 2 (2025–present) 32+ (2025 alone) N/A (ongoing) Mass detentions, facility strains.

   Critics attribute fluctuations to policies like mass detention under Trump, while defenders point to overall detention volumes. Many deaths are deemed preventable, involving medical neglect or suicide. americanimmigrationcouncil.org +1

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   The viciousness and killing of peaceful protestors is new, but so are the number of peaceful protestors and the incidence of filming.

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   1. I wonder why immigrants are seen as a threat.

      1. They are less likely to commit crimes than are citizens
      2. They pay taxes
      3. They do not receive the benefits (Social Security, Medicare, etc.) of paying those taxes
      4. They do the least appealing, drudgery jobs (field labor, dangerous, etc.)
      5. They command the lowest wages
      6. They can’t vote.

      In short, they are the ideal robots — free, hardworking labor of little cost or danger to anyone. Why would any thinking person not want them.

      Oops, I used the word “thinking.” I guess I just answered my own question.

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