11 thoughts on “–What is the Scandal with the Pentagon war fund?

  1. Too True, and going nowhere. I have been reading a book “Hormegeddon” by Bill Bonner [do you know it?] “too much of a good thing leads to Hormegeddon’
    He doesn’t ‘get’ monetary Sovereignty or MMT like you or I do, [he writes about Gov’t borrowing to spend] but aside from that he’s well up with declining marginal utility and how it’s affecting things like defence spending.

    You and I know it’s of no consequence that the defence budget is effectively unlimited. The Gov’t can simply keep writing cheques, except the pretence is that it can’t be done and most of the population believes it.

    I think the crunch will be a bit different from your contention. It’s not that we can spend until we cannot even pay the interest [the one component of bank debt using real money] It’s that it doesn’t add up to being worth the expense. It doesn’t pay. Nate Hagens says we are in a “Global Deflationary Depression and it’s fuelled by debt.

    It will only take a small event to set off a crisis. Credit will stop, then cash restrictions will be enabled, and are already happening.

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    1. Depends what kind of debt he’s talking about. Monetarily Sovereign debt isn’t the same as monetarily NON-sovereign debt.

      The former doesn’t “fuel” anything. It merely is bank deposits. One could as easily claim that bank savings accounts are a problem.

      The latter is, in fact, a serious problem, as witness euro nations’ debts and world-wide personal debts.

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      1. Yes, one does have to parse such comments, but I think he writes about sovereign “debt” not non sovereign debt.
        It’s amazing how few people get the savings meaning of MS government
        Debt. It is a debt instrument because the government “borrows” from the non government side, but then the sums just sit in accounts getting interest.
        Can I assume however that municipal and other non ms bonds really do get spent? That real assets have to be paid to the lenders?? That is what you mean by a “serious problem”?
        If so My advice is for Greece, Puerto Rico etc to just pay back the interest. The principal is thin air stuff, but the interest is what the bank can use as money and in the end is all the bank actually gets. For Greece etc they pay back the principal with real assets as well as the interest. This is the con the banks play on everyone.

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        1. “Can I assume however that municipal and other non ms bonds really do get spent? That real assets have to be paid to the lenders?? That is what you mean by a “serious problem”?”

          Yes.

          Paying back interest does reduce the immediate burden, but eventually even the interest payments alone could become unaffordable if future deficits require additional borrowing.

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          1. Thank you. One question still bugging me and I’ve never seen an answer is to understand what government debt really covers. Since MS governments are made up of sovereign and non sovereign parts, such as component states and municipalities, are their debts part of “Government Debt” such as the $17 trillion we hear about for the Federal Reserve? If the Federal Reserve debt is just the savings accounts of the MS part where are the non sovereign debts counted, or are they ignored, or in another account???
            Any idea what each of these three parts amounts to?

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          2. Sorry, Rodger, are you saying it doesn’t matter if the T-bonds etc. are federal or municipal? Neither is spent money?

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          3. T- bonds are federal, and the money you invest in them IS NOT used by the federal government. The federal government, being Monetarily Sovereign, creates dollars ad hoc, by paying bills.

            Municipals are local, and the money you invest IS used by the local government. Local governments are monetarily Non-sovereign, so need to use the money to pay bills.

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          4. Thanks!. I also asked Warren Mosler about whether the “Federal debt” figure [$18T] includes non federal debts for the non federal portion of the government. he said he had never seen if it included them, even though they are all considered for the sectoral balances.

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  2. China’s economy stagnated so the rich quit expanding goods and services and invested in their stock market.
    Is this pattern the result of not enough money for their middle class to create demand for goods and services?

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    1. Hopefully Rodger can soon devote a blog post to the present Chinese (economic) situation. I’m pretty confused myself.

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